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		<title>By: RS Janes</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Grim, you wrote: &quot;RS, Please allow me to gently inform you that not all Christians believe the earth is only 6,000 years old because (thump! thump!) it says so in the Bible.&quot;

Grim, I never thought most Christians believe that. Just Christopublicans. BTW, Grim, the Bible doesn&#039;t say the Earth is 6,000 years old -- that would be Bishop James Ussher in the 17th century:

&quot;The Ussher chronology is a 17th-century chronology of the history of the world formulated from an interpretative reading of the Bible by James Ussher, the Anglican Archbishop of Armagh (in what is now Northern Ireland). The chronology is sometimes, and often mockingly, associated with Young Earth Creationism, that holds that the universe was created only a few millenia ago.&quot; [...]

&quot;The chronology is sometimes called Ussher-Lightfoot chronology, including the name of John Lightfoot, who published a similar chronology in 1642-1644. This however is a misnomer, as the chronology is based on Ussher&#039;s work and not on that of Lightfoot. Ussher deduced that the first day of Creation began at nightfall preceding Sunday October 23, 4004 BC in the proleptic Julian calendar, near the autumnal equinox, while Lightfoot similarly deduced that Creation began at nightfall near the autumnal equinox, but in the year 3929 BC.&quot;
-- From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher_chronology#Ussher.27s_history_of_the_Earth

Grim: &quot;Huck has said as much. Both he and Mitten (hee, hee) say there are parts in the Bible that are supposed to be allegorical. No sensible person, for example, believes that a Bible character actually lived in a whale for three days.&quot;

I don&#039;t know about Romney, but since he follows the LDS Bible and the Book of Mormon he wouldn&#039;t think every word in the King James version is true. I seem to recall Huckabee saying in a speech some months ago that he took every word in the Bible literally, though. Perhaps that &#039;whale story&#039; in the OT was a mistranslation; maybe Jonah just had a wail of a time for three days.

Grim: &quot;Not only that, the Bible wasn&#039;t written in English.&quot;

In fact, the Bible was translated from Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek and Latin before it made it into English; it also has been subject to heavy editing, such as the dropping of the Gnostic Gospels, which included the Book of Mary Magdalene, among others, and takes a different view of Jesus than the Holy Roman Empire started by Emperor Constantine circa 300 AD.

Grim: &quot;This makes it just as difficult to understand as the Koran.
harder in fact because it was written in several languages, being, as it is, a collection of books.&quot;

True: the Koran has gone through as many translations, misinterpretations and adulterations as the Bible. Glad you seem to be appreciating the fact that the Koran is not inherently an &#039;evil book&#039; but as misused as the Bible by evil men to achieve their ends.

Grim: &quot;I would ask you, therefore, to allow that perhaps not all of us republochristians are cracked pots. grim&quot;

You&#039;re right, Grim; I was raised Christian so I know you can be both a Republican and a Christian without believing the nonsense of the far-right Christopublicans, although I&#039;m hard pressed to find a Christian Republican these days who doesn&#039;t buy into the literal Bible/6,000 year-old-Earth/Armageddon/Rapture song and dance. Ironically, the Book of Revelation from which Armageddon and the Rapture emanate only stayed in the Bible by one vote of a Catholic Bishop in the year 1000. If he had been home with the flu that day, what would the Christopublicans be fixating on these days?

BTW, when you&#039;re in an agnostic mood, you might want to read this:
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/glory.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grim, you wrote: &#8220;RS, Please allow me to gently inform you that not all Christians believe the earth is only 6,000 years old because (thump! thump!) it says so in the Bible.&#8221;</p>
<p>Grim, I never thought most Christians believe that. Just Christopublicans. BTW, Grim, the Bible doesn&#8217;t say the Earth is 6,000 years old &#8212; that would be Bishop James Ussher in the 17th century:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Ussher chronology is a 17th-century chronology of the history of the world formulated from an interpretative reading of the Bible by James Ussher, the Anglican Archbishop of Armagh (in what is now Northern Ireland). The chronology is sometimes, and often mockingly, associated with Young Earth Creationism, that holds that the universe was created only a few millenia ago.&#8221; [...]</p>
<p>&#8220;The chronology is sometimes called Ussher-Lightfoot chronology, including the name of John Lightfoot, who published a similar chronology in 1642-1644. This however is a misnomer, as the chronology is based on Ussher&#8217;s work and not on that of Lightfoot. Ussher deduced that the first day of Creation began at nightfall preceding Sunday October 23, 4004 BC in the proleptic Julian calendar, near the autumnal equinox, while Lightfoot similarly deduced that Creation began at nightfall near the autumnal equinox, but in the year 3929 BC.&#8221;<br />
&#8211; From Wikipedia <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher_chronology#Ussher.27s_history_of_the_Earth" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher_chronology#Ussher.27s_history_of_the_Earth</a></p>
<p>Grim: &#8220;Huck has said as much. Both he and Mitten (hee, hee) say there are parts in the Bible that are supposed to be allegorical. No sensible person, for example, believes that a Bible character actually lived in a whale for three days.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about Romney, but since he follows the LDS Bible and the Book of Mormon he wouldn&#8217;t think every word in the King James version is true. I seem to recall Huckabee saying in a speech some months ago that he took every word in the Bible literally, though. Perhaps that &#8216;whale story&#8217; in the OT was a mistranslation; maybe Jonah just had a wail of a time for three days.</p>
<p>Grim: &#8220;Not only that, the Bible wasn&#8217;t written in English.&#8221;</p>
<p>In fact, the Bible was translated from Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek and Latin before it made it into English; it also has been subject to heavy editing, such as the dropping of the Gnostic Gospels, which included the Book of Mary Magdalene, among others, and takes a different view of Jesus than the Holy Roman Empire started by Emperor Constantine circa 300 AD.</p>
<p>Grim: &#8220;This makes it just as difficult to understand as the Koran.<br />
harder in fact because it was written in several languages, being, as it is, a collection of books.&#8221;</p>
<p>True: the Koran has gone through as many translations, misinterpretations and adulterations as the Bible. Glad you seem to be appreciating the fact that the Koran is not inherently an &#8216;evil book&#8217; but as misused as the Bible by evil men to achieve their ends.</p>
<p>Grim: &#8220;I would ask you, therefore, to allow that perhaps not all of us republochristians are cracked pots. grim&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, Grim; I was raised Christian so I know you can be both a Republican and a Christian without believing the nonsense of the far-right Christopublicans, although I&#8217;m hard pressed to find a Christian Republican these days who doesn&#8217;t buy into the literal Bible/6,000 year-old-Earth/Armageddon/Rapture song and dance. Ironically, the Book of Revelation from which Armageddon and the Rapture emanate only stayed in the Bible by one vote of a Catholic Bishop in the year 1000. If he had been home with the flu that day, what would the Christopublicans be fixating on these days?</p>
<p>BTW, when you&#8217;re in an agnostic mood, you might want to read this:<br />
<a href="http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/glory.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/glory.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: grimgold</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RS, Please allow me to gently inform you that not all Christians believe the earth is only 6,000 years old because (thump! thump!) it says so in the Bible.
Huck has said as much. Both he and Mitten (hee, hee) say there are parts in the Bible that are supposed to be allegorical. No sensible person, for example, believes that a Bible character actually lived in a whale for three days.
Not only that, the Bible wasn&#039;t written in English. This makes it just as difficult to understand as the Koran... harder in fact because it was written in several languages, being, as it is, a collection of books.
I would ask you, therefore, to allow that perhaps not all of us republochristians are cracked pots. grim]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RS, Please allow me to gently inform you that not all Christians believe the earth is only 6,000 years old because (thump! thump!) it says so in the Bible.<br />
Huck has said as much. Both he and Mitten (hee, hee) say there are parts in the Bible that are supposed to be allegorical. No sensible person, for example, believes that a Bible character actually lived in a whale for three days.<br />
Not only that, the Bible wasn&#8217;t written in English. This makes it just as difficult to understand as the Koran&#8230; harder in fact because it was written in several languages, being, as it is, a collection of books.<br />
I would ask you, therefore, to allow that perhaps not all of us republochristians are cracked pots. grim</p>
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		<title>By: Rainlander</title>
		<link>https://bartblog.bartcop.com/?p=1887&#038;cpage=1#comment-7013</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rainlander]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Grim,
Yes to all of the above.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grim,<br />
Yes to all of the above.</p>
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		<title>By: RS Janes</title>
		<link>https://bartblog.bartcop.com/?p=1887&#038;cpage=1#comment-7010</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RS Janes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a shame that Huckabee is a religious crackpot -- not that that will hurt him in the GOP primaries. If he didn&#039;t believe Fred Flintstone rode dinosaurs and the other Christopublican nonsense, he might actually bring some sanity back to the Republican Party.

I saw him give a speech ay a high school in Iowa last week; he talked about bringing back music and art programs to the schools -- he almost sounded like a liberal! And what can you say about a guy who, as governor, &#039;pardoned&#039; Keith Richard for a reckless driving conviction rendered years before his election.

Meanwhile, in Iowa, NH and SC, Obama has the &#039;Big Mo.&#039;

Here&#039;s a tidbit about Barack: When he was a State Senator, he played poker and hung out with the lobbyists in Springfield but then sponsored and passed one of the most stringent anti-lobbying bills in the state&#039;s history.

Who knows, if he&#039;s president maybe he&#039;d do the same.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a shame that Huckabee is a religious crackpot &#8212; not that that will hurt him in the GOP primaries. If he didn&#8217;t believe Fred Flintstone rode dinosaurs and the other Christopublican nonsense, he might actually bring some sanity back to the Republican Party.</p>
<p>I saw him give a speech ay a high school in Iowa last week; he talked about bringing back music and art programs to the schools &#8212; he almost sounded like a liberal! And what can you say about a guy who, as governor, &#8216;pardoned&#8217; Keith Richard for a reckless driving conviction rendered years before his election.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, in Iowa, NH and SC, Obama has the &#8216;Big Mo.&#8217;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a tidbit about Barack: When he was a State Senator, he played poker and hung out with the lobbyists in Springfield but then sponsored and passed one of the most stringent anti-lobbying bills in the state&#8217;s history.</p>
<p>Who knows, if he&#8217;s president maybe he&#8217;d do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: grimgold</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rainlander, one thing that can be done, concerning your objection to govt, is to make it smaller, and more transparent. A smaller fed govt is much easier to track, make more transparent.
Also, even though it might take a constitutional amendment, term limits for house and senate members might help solve this problem. But you already knew this, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rainlander, one thing that can be done, concerning your objection to govt, is to make it smaller, and more transparent. A smaller fed govt is much easier to track, make more transparent.<br />
Also, even though it might take a constitutional amendment, term limits for house and senate members might help solve this problem. But you already knew this, right?</p>
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		<title>By: grimgold</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grimgold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mittens? Ha, ha, ha...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mittens? Ha, ha, ha&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rainlander</title>
		<link>https://bartblog.bartcop.com/?p=1887&#038;cpage=1#comment-7003</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rainlander]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A: The sacks of checks and cash for using the public airwaves to proseletize his righteousness.
Its all about the money and 1% of the 23%
have the money and the willingness and tax incentive to keep from paying for satan-sponsored abortions.
The money goes for advertising and buying off pollsters which inflates his popularity and nets even more donations.
This is the pyramid swindle which sets up the culture of corruption from the march down from the inaugural podium to the floor where the lobbyist wait and finally to the ultimate political career of washington lobbyist.
This lifestyle has got to stop if this country is ever to regain its freedom back from the mafia and the corporate robber barons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A: The sacks of checks and cash for using the public airwaves to proseletize his righteousness.<br />
Its all about the money and 1% of the 23%<br />
have the money and the willingness and tax incentive to keep from paying for satan-sponsored abortions.<br />
The money goes for advertising and buying off pollsters which inflates his popularity and nets even more donations.<br />
This is the pyramid swindle which sets up the culture of corruption from the march down from the inaugural podium to the floor where the lobbyist wait and finally to the ultimate political career of washington lobbyist.<br />
This lifestyle has got to stop if this country is ever to regain its freedom back from the mafia and the corporate robber barons.</p>
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		<title>By: Danger Bear</title>
		<link>https://bartblog.bartcop.com/?p=1887&#038;cpage=1#comment-6999</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Danger Bear]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was under the impression Huckabee owes his unexpected bump in the polls to his recent endorsement by Chuck Norris. 

Im sure Chuck and Huck can hold a steelcage tag-team deathmatch against the IRS and the Dept of Education for much conservative amusement.

We tried to tell you Reps not to take your marching orders from the Hollywood elite. I can hear Reagan&#039;s ghost laughing at me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was under the impression Huckabee owes his unexpected bump in the polls to his recent endorsement by Chuck Norris. </p>
<p>Im sure Chuck and Huck can hold a steelcage tag-team deathmatch against the IRS and the Dept of Education for much conservative amusement.</p>
<p>We tried to tell you Reps not to take your marching orders from the Hollywood elite. I can hear Reagan&#8217;s ghost laughing at me.</p>
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		<title>By: grimgold</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, but why Huck? Why not Rudi, or Fred or someone else? Because Huck&#039;s coming out for the fairtax! I really tried to hand this to you Dems (sigh!)
Now the repubs have it, and it&#039;s producing a winner. How much better a bully pulpit than &quot;Get rid of the IRS!&quot; can one have?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but why Huck? Why not Rudi, or Fred or someone else? Because Huck&#8217;s coming out for the fairtax! I really tried to hand this to you Dems (sigh!)<br />
Now the repubs have it, and it&#8217;s producing a winner. How much better a bully pulpit than &#8220;Get rid of the IRS!&#8221; can one have?</p>
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		<title>By: Rainlander</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rainlander]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is why I hate the whole Iowa yardstick,
it just panders to the importance of the religously-insane voter and overstates the importance of this classification of voter
which only accounts for at best 23% of the population.
The thing that sets them apart is that they(at the behest of the bully pulpit)actually get out and vote.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I hate the whole Iowa yardstick,<br />
it just panders to the importance of the religously-insane voter and overstates the importance of this classification of voter<br />
which only accounts for at best 23% of the population.<br />
The thing that sets them apart is that they(at the behest of the bully pulpit)actually get out and vote.</p>
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