One conjecture I’d like to make however is that if the Iraq war debt had been invested in solar and wind farms then the need for convential power generation would be nearly obsolete in this country,but i guess the payback on the investment is too slow for the stockholders.

There is some very,very promising alternative energy research going on right now.
One fellow is working on Bio-diesel from algae,
with yields a thousand fold over fuel from agriculture based bio-fuel including AE-85.

Here is a link to pes-wiki one of my favorite hobby sites:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Biodiesel_from_Algae_Oil

In Canada several large cartage firms use Brown
gas generators to suplement their tractor/trailers or semies as they call them,
The hydrogen and oxygen content allows for a 25 to 50% more complete fuel burn which in turn reduces consumption and emmisions and they get a tax-credit for using them.
Here is a link for the DIY tinkerers:
http://pureenergysystems.com/store/Hydrogen-Boost/

Right now CNG is about the most practical vehicle fuel source with a cost per gallon of about .90 cents and an optimised vehicle is much more efficient due to the caloric energy but the conversions are expensive, five to fifteen thousand depending on the size of the vehicle.
Should this become common though the price should drop dramatically.

I see a lot to be optimistic about out there on the horizon but the good things are going to come at a price,I guess the real question is:
Is discourse and diplomacy too high a price to pay for the embetterment of Humanity and Mother Earth?

You Guys brightened My day,Thank You.

I have no kick with real conservatives, although I might not agree with them about everything — it’s the crazy neocons I can’t stand. Real conservatives care about the Constitution, conservation, obeying the law, taking responsibility for your actions, keeping the government off your back, avoiding stupid wars, and not lying and cheating to get your way. Real conservatives have principles and argue sanely.

Neocons, on the hand, are nearly exactly the opposite of that — they lie and cheat and smear to get an advantage, and they have no moral scruples of any kind that I can discern. Means to an end is their only edict, and the means don’t matter. Winning is the only thing to them, but they forget the rest of that Vince Lombardi quote that says you must win fairly and in a sportsmanlike way. There is little difference between a neocon and a Stalinist, as far as I’m concerned.

I had some respect for Barry Goldwater and even William F. Buckley because they seemd to be honest and sincere and had thought through their positions. And if they criticized someone, they’d have the guts to do it to their face, and not through surrogates.

I don’t see that in most of the current crop of right-wingers, although I still think P.J. O’Roarke is funny, but then, he’s not a neocon.

If you’re a conservative Republican, I hope you purge your party of the corporate swindlers, Swift Boat liars, and Christopublican nitwits and bring it back to something that Barry Goldwater would be proud to join.

BTW, with both oil and nuclear power we’re going to have big problems in the future: the oil is running out and storing the radioactive material — that’s hot for ten thousand years — is a risk. You saw what happened with Chernobyl, and that was just a mild leak. The quicker we go to alternative sources of power — wind, solar, hydrogen — the better off we’ll be. The only reason we don’t have more of this now is because the multi-national corporations haven’t figured out yet how to bill us for the wind and the sun.

You have a good day, too.