Comments on: It’s time to do this. – Grimgold

By: Danger Bear

Danger Bear — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:17:12 +0000

Hehe, watch out Grim. We liberals are just aching to argue with someone other than each other.

By: grimgold

grimgold — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:57:26 +0000

Bear, I forgot to comment – no the Scientologists did not push fairtax, however they hate IRS.
Mike, the cost of bookkeeping, lobbyists, accountants, attorneys, and so on, would plunge. Businesses spend huge amounts of money to keep the IRS off their doorsteps. The fairtax would make them more conpetitive worldwide which would equal more jobs here at home. As far as trading work to avoid tax, you are correct. It goes on now and would continue to go on.
Grewhawk, Please just look thru the fairtax book then get back to me.

By: greyhawk

greyhawk — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:24:17 +0000

Grim you’re playing fast and loose
from the Fair Tax web site
A progressive national retail sales tax.
A prebate to ensure no American pays federal taxes on spending up to the poverty level.
Dollar-for-dollar federal revenue neutrality.
Repeal of the 16th Amendment through companion legislation.
If its a retail sales tax it won’t be taken out of paychecks.
If you dismantle the IRS powers from the 19th amendment the is no real way of collecting the tax.
If we had revenue neutrality in 1941 we would have lost WWII.

By: Mr.Mike

Mr.Mike — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:22:41 +0000

So not only would the price of goods and services go up the amount of taxes applied but also the cost of book keeping to apply those taxes. And how do you police it when the plumber trades a new toilet installation to the software guru to redo his billing soft ware. That he needs to do to comply to the new fair taxes. You end up with a system as draconian as we have now.

By: grimgold

grimgold — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:21:35 +0000

Bear, thanks for the kind response. You are correct, as far as I know, the fairtax isn’t being used throughout the world. But I predict that if any one of the more economically influental countries does go to the nation wide sales tax and gets rid of all income taxes, they will become so competitive that other nations will follow suit. Why not us first? Please, please read the little book.

N, a flat tax would take money out of people’s paychecks just as our tax system does now. And, as you know that would go away under a fairtax. People would get all of their paychecks.
However, a flat tax would be far better than what we have now. You make an excellent point.
Grimmy

By: N

Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:27:58 +0000

Grim-

How about something simple like a flat tax. Your GOP buddy Steve Forbes has been all about the flat tax for years. No matter what your income is you pay the flat tax lets say at 5%. So some one at $20,000 pays $1000 where a person making $1,000,000 pays 50,0000. Seems fair to me. Everyone taxed at the same rate without and crazy loopholes.

By: Danger Bear

Danger Bear — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:13:06 +0000

Wasn’t the “Fair Tax” invented by Church of Scientology in the 90s before they could get tax-exempt status. I believe they called the IRS Nazis too.

Anyway, there aren’t too many examples of a country adopting the “fair tax”. Off the top of my head I think there is 1 or 2 Balkan states and Iraq. Grim, why do you want the US to be more like Russia or Iraq?

A wiser man than me once said, “Extremely limited governments govern underdeveloped shitholes”.

By: grimgold

grimgold — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:08:16 +0000

Bart, perhaps you haven’t noticed – newlyweds already “pay taxes like crazy.”
Further, the super-rich (whatever that means) will pay no taxes; they already have their money.
We need a streamlined tax system in order to compete worldwide. How do you propose to do that? Oh, you don’t know? I’m not surprised. How about quit hating your fictional “super-rich” long enough to come up with answers, real answers to our problems, such as the problem with that awful tax code and its enforcers the Nazies that work for the IRS?

Volt, my “right wing buddies” want smaller govt, lower taxes, and the chance for everyone to become “super rich.” This is a good thing.
However, I do have an objection to Reagan and now Bush refusing to cut govt spending when they lowered taxes, causing our now 9 1/2 trillion debt.

By: Volt

Volt — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 01:24:30 +0000

Bad news for you and your right wing buddies, Grimmy…

Obama Declares War on Reaganomics

http://lonesomemongoose.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/obama-declares-war-on-reaganomics/

By: Bart

Bart — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:13:18 +0000

It’s called the “Fair Tax” because nobody would vote for it if it was called the “Handjob tax.”

It makes struggling newlyweds pay taxes like crazy while the super-rich pay nothing.

If you’re super-rich, and have everything you want, you’ll like this tax.

If you’re NOT super-rich, you’ll hate it.