i Bart,
Read this at http://www.bushflash.com/ and thought this may interest you. It’s not the usual Hillary-bashing that we get on Kos or Huffy/Benedict Arnold’s site. There are some really cool videos on this site too, if you have time to check them out. I’ve been contributing to Edward’s campaign, but will support whomever gets the Dem nomination….even Hillary. I’m not too happy about Edward’s recent comments either and have expressed that to his campaign, but I still think he could win in a general election. Not sure what you will do with this, but it’s food for thought…
Keep Hammerin’! Dig your site.
Greg in Wisconsin
HILLARY CLINTON CANNOT WIN…
I only mention this, because quite frankly, outside of the war he will start with Iran in about six month’s time, Bush is pretty much irrelevant, when we look to the future.
As disgusted as I am with the democratic party’s spineless congressional behavior, I’m still a grim realist, and realize that more likely than not, I will be supporting the democratic party’s nominee, this cycle.
Let me make it clear: Anyone would make a better president than Bush. I’ll even go so far as to say that (with the exception of Giuliani and Thompson) any of the republicans running for the highest office will make a better president than Bush. However- that’s not really saying much, as a moldy cup of ramen noodles would make a better commander-in-chief than Bush has been.
Considering that the republican party is so much out of public favor that it is likely to show up on “The Surreal Life” as Bronson Pinchot’s roomie, it’s all but certain that the democrats will capture the white house. Further, with resignations and scandals heralding an all-out collapse of the republican congressional delegation, the democrats have a fair chance to gain a fillibuster-proof majority in both houses of congress.
The only thing that could stop this from happening, is if Hillary Clinton gets the democratic nomination.
Again, I’ve had the chance to communicate with more diehard Hillary supporters lately, and the starry-eyed blind optimism is striking. Nader supporters have nothing on these folks. Let me lay it out for you:
1: While I’m certain that just about everyone reading this shares my deep-set dislike of Karl Rove, one must remember:
Just because you hate the guy, doesn’t mean that he’s always wrong.
Karl’s admonition about Hillary’s negatives being the highest of any candidate in recent times is rooted in statistical fact. Like it or not, a near-plurality of the american people say that they will not vote for Hillary. Her supporters are quick to say “Well- when the voters get to know her, they’ll come to like her.”
Bollocks- if there’s one political figure that is almost universally known in this country, it’s Hillary Clinton. The American people ALREADY know her, and they don’t like what they know, which brings us to:
2: Hillary is as unpalatable to the antiwar base of the democratic party, as she is to republicans. She has voted consistently with the republicans and the whims of the Bush administration in regards to Iraq and Iran. She voted to confirm Alberto Gonzales, Condoleeza Rice, and just seems to have a penchant for buckling.
To assume that the antiwar democrats will fall into line, simply because they have “no other option” post-convention, is fatally arrogant. Should Hillary become the nominee- this life-long democrat will be voting for a write-in candidate.
3: The religious right, which has served the republican party so well for the past twenty years, is in total disarray. I’ve been listening in to the fundie christian talk shows as of late, and ever since Pat Robertson gave his nod to Giuliani, it’s been a joy to behold.
Remember when you were a kid, and you first decided to see what would happen if you tossed a rock into an anthill? The past 72 hours have been sorta like that. Just replace the milling ants with extra-chromosome fundies, and you’ll get a visual approximation.
Their preferred candidate, at this point, seems to be Fred Thompson. However, considering that Fred’s campaign has shown to have all the momentum of a asthmatic snail crawling up a 90-degree incline in mid-July, it’s not looking good. There have been some evangelists who have already begun to tell their flocks to stay home on election day.
Without the dedication of these mouth-breathers, the republican party immediately loses anywhere from four to eight million votes, and a hundred thousand full-time volunteers. Without these crucial voters, the republicans lose the white house, and republicans lose across the board in offices from the mayor’s office to the congress.
However- there is one thing that will prompt the right-wing evangelical base back into the voting booth: The prospect of Hillary becoming president.
Should Hillary become the nominee, the evangelical republican base will flock back into the republican fold, and grant the GOP an immediate five to ten point advantage (which, considering point #1, all but cements a loss of both the white house and the congress for the democrats.)
4: Hillary’s campaign mantra has been “I’m the biggest Washington insider on stage!” If that doesn’t give you shivers down your spine, I don’t know what will.
Just in case ya’ll haven’t been paying attention for the past seven years, we’ve been dealing with the ultimate insiders- a perversely perfect nexus between freakish Washington neocon think tanks, war profiteers, and rampant cronyism.
We really can’t stand any more of that…
5: Hillary claims to be “the girl” for those who want to take on the right-wing smear machine.
Uhh- Please show me one example of when she did such- and NO- I’m NOT going to accept that “vast right-wing conspiracy” soundbite.
Hillary was able to ENDURE the right-wing smear machine, but has never taken it on, never confronted it, nor has she ever defeated it. Likewise, John Kerry was able to ENDURE the swiftboating- and we all know how far that got him.
In her boasts, she’s bragging about her ability to sit around and do jack-all, while being slimed from all quarters. Kudos for your ability to show no spine and do nothing in the face of unfair and manufactured smears, Hillary! That’s JUST what we want from a candidate!
Trust me, should she get the nomination- when the right-wing smear machine goes into overdrive, she’ll pull a Dukakis: she’ll disappear from sight for three months, and then make a noble, yet fruitless push just in time for an ignoble defeat.
Now- I could spend the next couple of hours going into more detail, but I trust you get the idea…
The problem I have here, is that those misguided folks who are so steadfastly in Hillary’s corner are sure to counter:
“But if we only click our heels together, screw our eyes up tight, and WISH hard enough, all of that won’t mean anything!”
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. (John Adams)
The facts are in: Hillary is unelectable. Yes- that puts her in a category below that of George W. Bush- does that surprise anyone?
Now- let me daub the teary eyes of those Hillary supporters who might take exception to what I’ve written:
Yes- I agree- it’s long since past the time that we have a woman as president. That having been said, that doesn’t mean that anyone who claims possession of a uterus is automatically qualified for the office, anymore than George W Bush was qualified for office, because he owned a pair of testes (albeit very, very, very, very, very small ones.)
In recent days, Hillary’s lead has shrunken, and one can only hope that she’ll implode, in coming months. I have no snappy ending- I need to get to bed.
I will admit up-front that no candidate – not even SHE – is perfect. Lotsa negatives. Okay, granted.
Still, I can’t help but think that it’s the “she can’t win” crowd that’s actually sticking its collective head into the sand. You have to ignore the poll numbers to believe this, and that means you’re ignoring math & science. People who answer the polls say that they’d vote for her. Are they all lying? Or does the plurality of American voters not answer poll questions?
Then you have to ignore Hillary’s raw, savage ambition. She wants this more than any Dem candidate in recent history, and you know full well she’s going to fight tooth-and-nail to get it. She knows how to play the dirty tricks and she knows how to counter them.
Then you have to accept the idea that the Democrats just “can’t lose” the White House in 2008. Trust me, my sons: We’re Dems. We can lose a three-legged race to a quadriplegic.
Quite frankly, I think she has the BEST chance to win – and the more ammo we give the Rethugs in this battle, the harder we make it for her.
Comment by Peregrin — December 10, 2007 @ 2:00 am
At least the writer admits that he and Karl Rove are in complete agreement on the next election.
Comment by Danger Bear — December 10, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
Bart, I see your Greg in Wisconsin will ‘even support Hillary.’ He’s obviously engaging in noseholding, eyes closed voting.
Been there, done that.
Won’t do it again.
From now on I vote third party, write in, or not at all rather than vote for someone I don’t like.
Condolences to you, Greg!
Grimmy
Comment by grimgold — December 11, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
A little history lesson
If you don’t know the answer, make your best guess. Answer all the questions
before looking at the answers.
Who said it?
1) “We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.”
A. Karl Marx B. Adolph Hitler C. Joseph Stalin D. None of the above
2) “It’s time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by
the few, and for the few…… And to replace it with shared responsibility
for shared prosperity.” A. Lenin B. Mussolini C. Idi Amin D. None of the
Above
3) “(We) …can’t just let business as usual go on, and that means something
has to be taken away from some people.” A. Nikita Khrushev B. Josef Goebbels
C. Boris Yeltsin D. None of the above
4) “We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give
up a little bit of their own … in order to create this common ground.” A.
Mao Tse Dung B. Hugo Chavez C. Kim Jong Il D. None of the above
5) “I certainly think the free-market has failed.” A. Karl Marx B. Lenin C.
Molotov D. None of the above
6) “I think it’s time to send a clear message to what has become the most
profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched.” A.
Pinochet B. Milosevic C. Saddam Hussein D. None of the above
Scroll down for answers
Answers
(1) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/29/2004
(2) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 5/29/2007
(3) D. None of th e above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(4) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(5) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(6) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 9/2/2005
Be afraid, Be very afraid!
Comment by grimgold — December 12, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
Great, Grim, except all of these quotes are taken out of context and twisted out of shape, but thanks for spreading more right-wing propaganda. (It took me one minute on ‘the Google’ to verify this. You might try it before you try to falsely smear a person again, even one named Clinton.)
For the full quotes and context, read the Urban Legends Reference Pages here: http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/marxist.asp
If you care about truth, you’ll read the Snopes site above carefully. It might save you from making an ass of yourself in the future by posting this drivel.
Comment by RS Janes — December 13, 2007 @ 6:18 pm