I had occasion to go to San Francisco yesterday. While there had the chance to go see the Fairy Building. I’d never seen it up close before, and boy was I surprised. Even though it is reported that there is a large homosexual population in “The City” I saw none. None! Where are they? It may be time to rename this historic landmark, as there wasn’t one limp-wristed, swishy, pretend-girl to be found. Only business people and tourists.
‘Fairy Building’ my foot.
Seriously though, you liberals have a problem I’d like you to think about. Some of you support homosexuality as a legitimate alternate lifestyle, and at the same time are silent as a tomb about Islam.
You can’t rationally have it both ways. Either you must decry homosexuality or Mohammad. Why? Because Koran-thumpers will instantly outlaw homosexuality if they ever get the upper hand.
Oh, I know you think that it is likely that the Moslems aren’t all that bad and the government, with the cooperation of the Main Scream Media, is blowing the issue all out of proportion to justify Iraq, steal oil, make Halliburton rich, and help the “Nazi” Republicans; but the fact is if the Muslims ever come to power, they will outlaw homosexuality immediately and harshly.
You must decide: do you support homosexuals (your most faithful voting block) and properly rail against Mohammed’s followers (as you do the born-again Christians) or will you quietly allow more foot baths in airline terminals, more public schools run by Moslem clerics, and more of GW’s crazy open border policies?
Are you going to speak up against these Muslems that want to run the United States by the Koran or not?
Choose.
Pretty black-and-white thinking there, dude.
What is a right-wing tool like you doing on a blog like this?
Just wondering.
Comment by LuLu — August 23, 2007 @ 11:05 am
Where have you ever seen a liberal on here defending the Taliban, Grimmy?
Do us all a favor. Go to Google and type in “strawman argument.”
Religion is self-delusion based on fear, ignorance, guilt, superstition. That goes for those who claim to be slaves to Yahweh, Jesus, Allah or any other imaginary sky boogy-man.
Comment by Volt — August 23, 2007 @ 11:17 am
Wow, what a post! Chock full of bigotry, lies, and hatred. You hit the conservative trifecta, Grimgold! Nicely done.
What I want to know is, when it comes to intolerance and persecution of gays, what is the difference between the positions of the “Koran-thumpers” and the “Bible-thumpers”? None that I know of.
Also, homosexuals are far from being our most faithful voting block. There are plenty of gay Republicans. The difference is that gay Democrats have some pride and self-respect, but gay Republicans would rather cower in the closet and troll public bathrooms looking for teenage boys to molest or undercover cops to blow.
Comment by Harry Vellum — August 23, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
Grim, I’m getting lots of complaints.
You’ve veered away from our original
agreement and gone into baiting & taunting.
Should I give you another chance?
bart
Comment by Bart — August 23, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
Lulu, the Taliban are the black and white thinkers. There is very little grey when you are dying.
Volt, thank you for the response. I don’t see libs supporting Taliban, I see them ignoring them. This is why I wrote this article. i’m glad it disturbs you people.
Dear Harry, the difference is obvious as the nose on my face – Moslems enjoy sawing the heads of non-believers. Tell Nagrid I said hello.
Bart, Huh? Do I always have to be sweetness and light? How about communicating with me personally rather than publically about this?
Comment by grimgold — August 23, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
Volt, I thoroughly agree with you about religiions, mostly. They are based on fear and practice blind belief. This is evil as blind belief is the same as slamming the door to new information, such as real info about inner matters and spiritually.
Comment by grimgold — August 23, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
Volt, I again encourage you to write your own stuff.
You are selling yourself short by only parroting the work of others.
Even if I no longer post to this site, i’d be interested in reading your stuff.
Grimgold
Comment by grimgold — August 23, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
The Taliban did not murder Matthew Shepard for being gay, it was good, white Christian boys who did that.
And it was good, church-going Christians who added to his family’s grief by yelling and holding up signs at his funeral “No Tears for Queers” and “Fag Matt in Hell.”
I have been a bartcop supporter for a number of years and I have to say until his page went down, I never did some here or to the forums – so I was taken aback by your posts.
Judging from Bart’s admonition, I guess you are supposed to be the resident right winger. More power to him for allowing you to use his bandwidth.
If you are here by his good graces – it is his site after all – to spice up the debate, you own it to Bart to back up your posts with facts and lay off the hate speech.
If not, well, prepare to be sliced and diced.
Comment by LuLu — August 23, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
Let’s make a difference between religous people and fundamentalists of any sort. The Taliban is no different in my book than Dobson or Moon. The common thread is that they want to push their extreme views on others. Personally I’m a let me go to hell in my own way type.
Comment by greyhawk — August 23, 2007 @ 7:00 pm
Lulu, I agree with you. I don’t hate homosexuals. The ones I’ve known have been very nice people. If you thought I was full of hate or something, you got the wrong impression. Sorry.
GH, I agree (I know I’m not supposed to – sorry). Blind belief is very dangerous. This includes Athiesm. As for the people that are sure they are going to Heaven, if that’s what I have to put up with, I’ll see you in Hell. I’m sure you’ll be much better company.
Comment by grimgold — August 23, 2007 @ 8:31 pm
Grimgold, you wrote:
Do you actually KNOW any Muslims (not “Moslems”)? Do you work with any Muslims? Do you have any Muslim neighbors? Any Muslim friends? Have you ever been inside the home of a Muslim family? Have you ever invited a Muslim inside your home? Well, living here west of Detroit in the midst of the largest concentration of Muslims in the United States, I can proudly answer “yes” to each of these questions. I’ve met and worked with and spoken to and broken bread with countless Muslims. My family doctor is a Muslim. My kids go to school and play baseball with Muslims. I’ve never met a Muslim who would lift a finger against a fellow man, let alone “enjoy sawing the head” off of anybody.
Ted Bundy and Timothy McVeigh and John Wayne Gacy and Adolph Hitler were all Christians. Does that allow anyone to make evil generalizations against all Christians? Of course not.
Your response starkly demonstrates your abject ignorance.
Comment by Harry Vellum — August 23, 2007 @ 8:48 pm
Harry you are correct. I have no contact with Moslems (who changed it to Muslims anyway – Cassis Clay?). I am therefore woefully ignorant on a personal basis. I look foreward to writing by you on this subject on the Bart Web Log.
Grimgold
Comment by grimgold — August 24, 2007 @ 9:49 am
We already support separation of church and state. We don’t want any religious leader running our schools and we certainly don’t want any religious insanity being used as a basis for out laws.
What is with the “foot baths in airline terminals” comment? I seriously doubt that taxpayer money is going towards this. I do get a kick out of Christian paranoia about expression of others religious beliefs. If an airline wants to provide a service to their Muslim customers, that is their right. A lot of this nonsense goes on at Xmas too. “How dare a private company not acknowledge my personal religious holiday…how dare they acknowledge someone elses! Target must be punished because I heard someone say Happy Kwanza!!!”
That’s another wonderful thing about liberals. We accept all religions. We just don’t want religion forced on anyone.
Comment by JTPmichigan — August 24, 2007 @ 9:55 am
Dear JPT thanks for the excellent response
(which means I agree, hee, hee).
I suppose the constant pounding on Christians by the ACLU and Islam being left alone is what gets to me. Am I wrong about that?
I really believe that if Christians wanted places of prayer or foot baths in public places, such as airport terminals, it would not happen. Am I wrong ………..again?
Comment by grimgold — August 24, 2007 @ 10:22 am
Yes, I think you’re wrong. The perceived pounding from the ACLU comes from Christians trying to force religion into publicly owned places (schools, courthouses and public parks). They never try to tell Wallmart not to put Xmas trees up, or complain about nativity displays at shopping malls. There aren’t many Muslims in public office, so you don’t see them trying to force their religion on public spaces. I don’t know how the law stands regarding airports and pubic space, but I think that when a private company rents space, such as a terminal or store space, it isn’t considered public space. If a church wanted to rent a storefront at the airport, they would be free to sell god all they want. But if someone on the Airport Authority were to try to use public funds to display a nativity scene, that would be a problem. The problem in Seattle came from the trees being placed in the entrance hall. I don’t think there would have been a problem if an airline put a tree up at their gate. That would be between the airline and their passengers.
Comment by JTPmichigan — August 24, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
JTP, I hope you are right. I don’t like any religion trying to force their religion as you say. However, I’ve been given a very different view by His Most Wonderfulness The Almighty Rush (blessed be he) Limbaugh. He was also speaking to crosses that had been on hillsides (such as Mt Davidson) being challenged by the ACLU. And as I’m sure you’re aware, Rush is alway right.
Hell, in the grade school my kid went to a number of years ago, they tried to eliminate Santa Claus and replace him with multi-culturilism!
That went over with me about as well as Karl Rove at a Clinton pep rally. I actually became an activist (gasp!). Santa Claus forever!
grin gold
Comment by grimgold — August 24, 2007 @ 2:23 pm